attention stock KA s14's

actually it's 95+ cars they plug into and pre 94 cars on rollers...

but that's splitting hairs

well now i'm gettin really confused... everywhere i read it's 96+ 95- that

now your saying 95's have to get plugged to? wtf.

i really need to just buy a KADE with a obdII harness and a 5spd tranny.

i'm just gona pull the SR and build it and put it back in @ like july-ish.

simple question...

is your SR running on an ODBII setup and what year is your car?

Kevin and specter are acting fucking rediculous jesus christ the kid needs his emissions passed not specter to spout off is dumb ooo im ase certified nonsense bullshit and kevin needs to stop being a prick your gonna have to get your ecu to read regardless so try and work on that first and if nething else fails just swap a ka or if people even read the fucking title let the kid borrow your car for an hour and he will pay you that seems like the easiest route if you ask me but seams everyone is lame and not offerin good luck with the car bro

that's why i'm asking...

if he's running an OBD 0 or 1 ECM on a car that is supposed to have an OBD 2 system... you're going to fail every time

I believe he is so I really dont see ne other option then borrowing a car (easiest way) or borrowing/buying a running ka and puttin that in

or bribe them...

the shit thing is that IF he is post 95 running pre 95 ECM then he'll have to test the same car again in a few years...

the best and perminate solution would be to upgrade the ECM and engine sencors to OBD 2 and get all the monitors to run.

idk if that would be more then $400 or the amount the bribe would be or w/e

Specter wrote:

actually it's 95+ cars they plug into and pre 94 cars on rollers...

but that's splitting hairs

negative. i have a 95 and just passed emissions. rollers. 95- are exempt from the obd plug in. some 95's are obd ready, and some are not (from the manufacturer). thats why they decided 96+ for the plug in test, since they are all obd2.

Hey whats up FusionR300zx! I was reading your post here and i thought i'd help you clear up a bit of the confusion with your emissions situation. Im going to help you out as much as i can so im going to need you to read what ive got to say and hopefully i can guide you in the right direction.


First of, heres whats going on with the new emissions testing for Illinois just so we both understand. This was introduce this year, 2007, that any car manufactured before 1996, or pre OBD-II, will not be tested using the IM240 dyno test. It is costing the EPA thousands of dollars to maintan the dynos and the number of "OBD-0 and OBD-I" cars on the road are slowing decreasing. It is not cost benificial or effective for them. As long as you passed the last test you should be good and not have to take the test again. Although some cars still have "one last test" because of the years in which they were tested and fall on.

Next, all cars as of 1996, or OBD-II are and have been tested using the OBD-II self diagnostic systems. The computer is able to determine, according several system tests and checks to see if the vehicle is going to pass or fail. A vehicle will not pass if the Malfunction Indicator Lamp is on indicating an emissions fault. Also the EPA checks to see that all the necessary monitors have successfully ran and passed. The "MIL" will only turn on if there is an emissions related fault, thats it! Its not for manufacturer codes only for EPA and emssions faults. Think of a monitor as a "person" that checks to see if everything is within range or working properly in that sub-system. Its basically able to test itself and check and see if something wrong, then it will notify you of that problem and where it occured. Some people will tell you that some 1994 and 1995 models were OBD-II but that is only partially true. Yes these cars were "OBD-II" but not the 1996 version that was to be mandated by the government. Some of the electronics and programs were "simply raw concepts and early versions" of what the official OBD-II systems was going to be and not the final version of it. So officially, only 1996 and newer cars are true OBD-II.

There are atlest 5 main monitors that the OBD-II system consist of which include but are not limited to. Some of the main monitors include:

Engine Misfire monitor
Fuel System monitor
Comprehensive Component monitor
EVAP System monitor
EGR monitor
Catalyst Efficiency monitor
HO2S monitor
Secondary Air monitor

The monitors will only run if a certain criteria is met. The manufacturer requires the vehicle to be driven a certain way for certain "components to be tested." You dont have to worry about this enabling criteria as this is what a technician uses to make sure that the monitor has run. You just worry about the fact that it ran or not!

Ok, ill let you catch your breath. There is a lot of information and this is only a tip of the iceburg. I dont want to confuse you with anything thats not really going to help you so ill continue form here. Thats really what the EPA checks for to verify that the vehicle will pass or fail. There is no need to put it on the dyno and analyze the exhaust gases when the wonders of technology can do it for us in a slightly different way.

You mentioned that you had installed an s13 redtop sr20det. Ok not a bad choice of engine, definately a good one and has lots of potential and your car from that picture appears to be either a 1997/1998 model 240SX. But bascially what you did was put a pre-OBD-II engine into a OBD-II equiped car. I'll be honest with you, that probably wasnt the smartest thing to do. Im not calling you out and telling you that you should'nt have done this, but that was your money, your car, and ultimately your decision. It ok though, you're not exactly doomed for life, neither is your car!

Remember, you can not turn water into wine! One were not Jesus, and two that would take a lot of money and science, not to mention a miracle! The reason i say this is because you cant make an OBD-I engine/car into a OBD-II engine/car. YOU CAN, but its not going to happen! Not atleast without a lot of money (which you said you really dont have any) and some engineers and scientists behind you to help you somehow adapt, convert and or modify the engine/car to accept and be tested like OBD-II engine/car would be including all the electronics and emissions related components. Honestly!


Since converting over isnt really an option, heres a few of them that i can think of that might help you out with this dilema:

1. Do as you said and switch over license plates and VINs. This seems possible but it seems as if you're having trouble finding someone willing to help you out with this one. Not saying its impossible but its proving to be difficult.

2. Register your car in a county that does not do emissions testing. I know this works and is probably one of the easiest methods. If you know someone in a county that doesnt do emissions testing, your car wont be sent a letter in the mail for it to be tested. The only problem is finding or knowing someone in one of these counties.

3. Bribe an EPA employee at the emissions testing centers. This can be done but the chance of this one happening is probably not likely. I doubt the employee is going to want to put his job on the line to help some kid pass his emissions because he modified his car in a way that it would make it "illegal." Altough there have been cases of this happening, you can try and maybe someone will eventually "slide you in." If you know a friend that works at one of these facilities then it'll probably easier.

4. Bribe a technician and have him sign a letter of excemption or emissions test results saying you paid more than $400.00 worth of emissions related repairs and had the car show noticeable improvement. The problem here is knowing a technician willing to do this. The EPA has setup a "rating system" for shops that do emissions repairs and a car that wasnt "fixed," gives the shop a negative score! Anytime they dont repair the vehicle the right way, thats a lost point and not good for that shop. Most shops that are doing emissions repairs are going to want to fix the problem(s) to help improve their scores, improve their self image and make themselves more reliable when it comes to actually fixing emissions repairs. OBD-II and emission repairs are the way a shop can "prove" itself to the consumer, letting them know "that they can fix it correctly the first time!" This brings them more business which equals more money for them.

5. Remove your s13 redtop sr20det and reinstall an OBD-II ka24de. This is probably going to be the last choice you make and not exactly the best one either. Whats going to happen the next time you have to do emissions?! Remove and reinstall engines again!? I highly doubt youre going to be doing this and is probably something you dont want to do.

Hopefully i managed to help you a bit and this will guide you in the right direction. If you still have questions or conerns, let me know.

Specter wrote:

that's why i'm asking...

if he's running an OBD 0 or 1 ECM on a car that is supposed to have an OBD 2 system... you're going to fail every time

well ye i have a s13 redtop ECU in a OBD II car...

which is why i wana do the vin thing or i might just register my car somewhere else. but i'd rather do the vin and plate thing as of right now because i have a buyer coming 2morrow to look at my car.

if he's serious and doesn't care i'll sell it and not worry about anything.

but i've already tested and NOTHING came up on the screen. took me to another lane, and the same thing happened, they were shocked but i wasn't at all.

i CAN get a fake receipt but don't i still have to show that I've improved when i go back? how can i show improvement when nothing even comes up on the screen?

can anyone help me out with the registering the car out in a Dixon/Rockford area? my g/f's mom's finance lives out there and that would be the easiest as of right now.

but if i can do the vin thing and pass i wouldn't have to worry for 2 years starting June and would be much easier to sell a 97 240 with a SR by showing that it passed in June and that they wont have to worry about it for 2 years.

Fusion how much are you willing to throw down to pass? One of the pro's of my setup is that its fully emmisions legal . Shoot me a msg on aim and maybe we can work something out.

ur 1st problem was being JDM tyte and gettin an SR

FusionR300zx wrote:

Specter wrote:

that's why i'm asking...

if he's running an OBD 0 or 1 ECM on a car that is supposed to have an OBD 2 system... you're going to fail every time

well ye i have a s13 redtop ECU in a OBD II car...

which is why i wana do the vin thing or i might just register my car somewhere else. but i'd rather do the vin and plate thing as of right now because i have a buyer coming 2morrow to look at my car.

if he's serious and doesn't care i'll sell it and not worry about anything.

but i've already tested and NOTHING came up on the screen. took me to another lane, and the same thing happened, they were shocked but i wasn't at all.

i CAN get a fake receipt but don't i still have to show that I've improved when i go back? how can i show improvement when nothing even comes up on the screen?

can anyone help me out with the registering the car out in a Dixon/Rockford area? my g/f's mom's finance lives out there and that would be the easiest as of right now.

but if i can do the vin thing and pass i wouldn't have to worry for 2 years starting June and would be much easier to sell a 97 240 with a SR by showing that it passed in June and that they wont have to worry about it for 2 years.

The S13 SR20 and its electronics are never going to communicate with an OBD-II scanner using the DLC. Its just not going to happen.

My post erased because of Internet Explorer. It froze up and my post was lost. Oh well. Anyways what i want to say was that the easiest thing is going to be registering it in a county that doesnt do emissions. It seems like you're getting somewhere now so i hope you get this straightened out.

good info above.

Adikt wrote:

Fusion how much are you willing to throw down to pass? One of the pro's of my setup is that its fully emmisions legal . Shoot me a msg on aim and maybe we can work something out.

AIM'ed...

Atown 240 wrote:

ur 1st problem was being JDM tyte and gettin an SR

At least he wasnt jdm gay and gone with a ka ha you have just as much money in your ride and its ummmmm slow

P.O. Boxes work as well i believe I could get you one for about 20 bux a year out in huntley, illinois

A-Town-SR wrote:

Atown 240 wrote:

ur 1st problem was being JDM tyte and gettin an SR

At least he wasnt jdm gay and gone with a ka ha you have just as much money in your ride and its ummmmm slow

P.O. Boxes work as well i believe I could get you one for about 20 bux a year out in huntley, illinois

so i guess your saying huntley has no emissions? if so ur coming with me and helping me do this after this weekend...

if the guy doesn't leave a deposit 2day when i meet with him i'm gona tell him it's now or never. and i'm gona go get a nice loan next weekend.

and idk if he has as much money... but he's prlly got as much downtime in fixing/modding the car and you wouldn't even say that it's quick. he can PROLLY take my friends EK... hahaha... j/k i kno u could

I'm glad to see were finally getting somewhere. Thank you david for getting the info straight. I don't know anything about your gay emissions since we don't have that shit out here

emissions ftmfw

Nackers wrote:

I'm glad to see were finally getting somewhere. Thank you david for getting the info straight. I don't know anything about your gay emissions since we don't have that shit out here

Im almost done with two automotive courses in fuel and emissions and computer systems so i hope i learned something!